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Achilles, Best of the Greeks ([personal profile] refusetofight) wrote2023-11-23 09:22 pm

For @messageforyou

Besides the obvious, there’s one big problem with being dead: it leaves Patroclus with too much time to think. To ruminate. To overanalyze. That was always his tendency, but at least in life, he had Achilles and the war. There was rarely a stretch of stillness that allowed him to wander so deep in the labyrinth of his own thoughts.

Not like Elysium. Patroclus wishes he was more like Ajax, always spoiling for a test of strength against the shades of other legends, or Odysseus, chatting and joking so easily with anyone who will listen. Will they ever tire of it? Meanwhile, Pat still feels like his place here is undeserved. His act of bravery at Troy was a fluke. That wasn’t enough for Elysium; Achilles had to arrange that deal with Hades himself.

And what is he doing with that gift? Whiling it away in a chronically dreadful mood. It’s no surprise Achilles would take another lover. He needs someone more exciting and vibrant. He needs a challenge. Hermes is who he needed from the very start. Powerful, divine, worthy.

Now there’s Lyra, to—a beautiful, perfect child. Hermes can give Achilles anything he wants. What can Patroclus give him? Painful memories. Shame and regret. Achilles never says as much—of course he wouldn’t—but Pat assumes.

He lays sprawled on the spongy ground in the center of a glade, looking up at Ixion and fumbling around the corners of this well-trod maze of thought. Méli has surrounded him in scattered offerings: very fetchable sticks, a sandal, a broken arrow, an old bone. She finally gives up her restless pacing to flop down next to him. She shifts to rest her chin on his chest and sighs emphatically. Her gifts don’t seem to be helping.

“I’m sorry. I’m not good company right now, am I?” he mumbles, stroking her soft ears. He wishes he could be more like her. Living in the moment, not a single worry except what fun will be had next …
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[personal profile] messageforyou 2023-12-05 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
Lyra listens carefully, eyes wide as she takes it in and tries to understand. So Patroclus was hurt like Agathe, but he was also scared. Scared that Hermes might take away his one person, who should have wanted only him as his one person. And that made him mad and scared. Yes, that makes more sense to Lyra. She'd also be mad and sad and scared if it looked like someone she loved might not love her anymore because they found someone better.

But Lyra can't help but notice that Hermes and Achilles must have been together for at least as old as she is. So if Hermes really did want to have Achilles all to himself, he probably would have by now.

But just 'cuz Hermes doesn't want Achilles all to himself doesn't mean that Patroclus wouldn't still be scared of it.

"Gods are weird. Hermes admitted it when I said so." She looks at Méli, at her happy doggy face and her fluffy fur. "There's this butcher at the market I really don't like. He's mean. He kicks the dogs that come too close to his stall. He kicked one so hard that he made her snout bleed."

She scratches Méli behind the ears, as if in apology for making her hear such awful things. "When you think about it, we all could be mean like him. We could all kick dogs, and dogs couldn't do anything about it. But we don't. Because we know it's mean, and some of us love dogs very much and hate people who are mean to them because it's not fair to pick on someone that can't fight back." She looks up at Patroclus, her brow furrowed in thought. "I think it's like that with gods. That they could all be mean if they want to, and some of them are, but a lot of them aren't. Maybe Hermes doesn't want to hurt you anymore than we want to hurt Méli. Even if he already did."

She doesn't know Hermes, really. She's only talked to him a little bit. Maybe he meant to hurt Patroclus, but she doesn't think so, if he brought him Méli.
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[personal profile] messageforyou 2023-12-06 07:18 am (UTC)(link)
Lyra thinks she understands better now why Patroclus is sad, and why he doesn't like Hermes even if Hermes isn't mean to him. It's not just because grownups want to be the only person their person loves.

"Are you scared that Achilles might not like you as much anymore?" Lyra doesn't consider the tact of her blunt question, just the truth. It'd make sense, how Patroclus can know Hermes doesn't want to hurt him, but he's still scared of him taking Achilles away. Because he's not really scared that Hermes will make Achilles leave--it's that Achilles might want to leave. And her foster dad once told her that it's easier for grownups to feel mad at someone instead of feeling scared.

Not that Lyra thinks that's true. The stories don't make it sound like it'd be true. But she doesn't really know Achilles well enough to say.
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[personal profile] messageforyou 2023-12-07 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
"I don't know," Lyra admits honestly. "I don't know much about that kind of love yet."

She knows enough about it to know that she doesn't know much at all. She doesn't know what stirs Agathe to cry over her husband or slap him in public, what stirs her husband to love someone else even if it hurts her, what stirs Achilles to split his affection and why Patroclus doesn't--or can't--do the same. All she knows is that it's obvious that it's a big deal to grownups, and it hurts them a lot, and they keep coming back to it even when it hurts. It seems mean of Achilles to hurt Patroclus so much, but also it feels strange to be mad at him for it considering Lyra wouldn't exist if he didn't.

"Achilles would probably know," she says. As she always says to herself: when in doubt, just ask. If Patroclus doesn't know why Achilles would grow to love someone else besides not loving him as much anymore, then he should ask. "You could talk to him. Or you could try to fall in love with someone else too and see for yourself."

Maybe that would make it fair. Or make Patroclus happier. Maybe love is like food, and the more you get from many sources, the happier and healthier you are, even as a grownup. Maybe that's part of why Achilles seems happier than Patroclus. Or maybe that's just Lyra not quite understanding it. She'd ask her foster parents if she had any faith they'd really explain instead of just saying she'd get it when she's older.
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[personal profile] messageforyou 2023-12-08 04:46 am (UTC)(link)
"Did you really want everything to stay the same forever? That sounds really boring to me," Lyra says, thinking about staying forever in the comfort of her own family, her own home, her own life as she's always known it. It sounds like it'd be nice for a while, but how boring to have so much potential for new things, and to never experience them.

She's not sure why Achilles can fall in love with someone else, but Patroclus can't. Surely there's someone nice around here that he might like. But she knows better than to try cajoling him into loving someone else--that seems like a silly thing for her to do, if he doesn't want to do it.

"Maybe it'd make him sad if you asked the question, but you're sad now, and he can tell if I can tell. So right now, you're both sad." And it seems silly to Lyra to put off making Achilles more sad for a little bit and then maybe get better in favor of staying sad together. But maybe it's one of those things she won't understand until she's older.
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[personal profile] messageforyou 2023-12-09 06:44 am (UTC)(link)
In comparison to war, this seems pretty peaceful to Lyra. But then again, she's never been to war. Maybe this isn't all that peaceful after all.

How strange to hear a grownup admit to being a coward. She thinks it's quite brave of him to say so, really. Even grownups are mean about making fun of cowards in Greece. But those are the cowards who run away from war, and Patroclus didn't do that. He's just running away from a conversation, and it's hard to imagine a conversation that's scarier than war.

"Well, when my brother--the one who cries easy, not the dumb one--when he's scared of stuff, our foster father tells him to think of the worst thing that could happen, then the best thing, and make a plan for both but expect that something in the middle will happen."

Lyra has never really needed the trick because she's not an anxious child, trusting as she does that the world will look out for her. But clearly, Patroclus is scared, so he needs a trick, and Lyra will help.

She takes his hand, idly tracing the calluses on the pads of his fingers and palm and comparing the sizes of their hands. "So... if you ask him, what's the worst thing that could happen, and what's the best thing?"
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[personal profile] messageforyou 2023-12-10 04:04 am (UTC)(link)
Lyra notices his pause before talking about his best case scenario, and she suspects that he's not being wholly upfront. But that's okay. He's been very honest with her so far, and grownups have such trouble talking about grownup things. She hopes that even if he won't say it out loud, he at least thinks his best scenario, and he thinks of a plan.

"So... what's your plan if he says he doesn't love you anymore, and what's your plan if he says that he'll always love you?"

Eu-Eu would call this Lyra being sneaky, talking like Patroclus has already decided to ask the question. It's something she's figured out makes it more likely that people will do what she thinks they should. And she really does think that Pat is very sad, and that Achilles will probably say he still loves him, and hopefully that will make Pat less sad.

Lyra curiously explores Patroclus' less prominent calluses, drawing spirals into his palm. His hand isn't so hard as Achilles'. She wonders if Patroclus did much fighting before he died. The songs don't really say much about him before he put on Achilles' armor.
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[personal profile] messageforyou 2023-12-10 05:48 am (UTC)(link)
Lyra frowns when he talks about drinking from the Lethe. She knows that there are so many stories of people throwing themselves to their deaths after being rejected by their lovers, but it seems like a very big reaction to her. Perhaps even an overreaction, though the grownups would say that she's too little to know that for sure. But is the Lethe the same as death? Would Patroclus persist after drinking, and be free to make a new, happier afterlife? Or would whatever holds his shade together fade away forever?

Questions to ask Elysium, she figures. Who would know better than Elysium?

"I'd be very sad if you drank from the Lethe," Lyra admits. "But I'll make friends with you again if you forget me. And I'd teach you any games you forgot."

She means it as a reassurance. That if Patroclus really does feel like he has to forget, that she'll still want to be his friend, and she'll still want to spend time with him. And perhaps he'll be happier for her company if his memories don't make him sad.

"My foster dad always says that it's usually not the best or worst thing that happens. It's usually something in the middle." She presses Patroclus' hand to her cheek, looking up at his face and memorizing the lines. He doesn't have many smile lines. He seems so sad. "You should ask him. You're very sad now. And I don't think anyone who loves you can be very happy when you're so sad."
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[personal profile] messageforyou 2023-12-11 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
Lyra sees the emotion in Patroclus' eyes. Her gut pinches a little in guilt, knowing that she's made him feel so much, but she hopes that it's sweet pain. Sometimes her foster father talks about sweet pain when he comes home crying from the rare days he can catch a tragedy playing at the theater. The proper word is catharsis, but Lyra's noticed her fellow children don't really get that word, so she's taken to calling it sweet pain instead.

She perks as she sees Achilles (her father) emerge from the glades of Elysium. He rests a hand on her head, and she smiles wide at him.

"Hello, Daddy," she says the new title smoothly, just testing it out in her mouth, seeing how she likes it, seeing how he reacts. "You don't have to call me 'child' anymore. I liked it when you called me 'fledgling'."

When she thought about it more, she'd seen the meaning. Hermes is part bird, so she's part bird, so she's a fledgling. It's nice. She doesn't know any other kids who can be called that. She takes Achilles' hand from her head and presses an affectionate kiss to his knuckles. "Pat was taking very good care of me. I wanted to make sure he didn't want me to avoid him, and he said no, and he's very good at petting hair, and it's been really nice."

And she'll give Pat an opportunity to bring up his questions on his own. But she's not above bullying a grown man if she thinks she's right about what he ought to do, and Lyra always thinks she's right.
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[personal profile] messageforyou 2023-12-11 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Lyra smiles to be called a fledgling--something she didn't realize she wanted is the little nicknames parents give their children, when her nickname among her foster family is 'trouble'--and she scrunches her nose with a giggle as Pat winks at her.

"I've got all day to get up to mischief," she says smugly, pleased at all the potential the day offers. "But I haven't stolen anything. Even though stealing is fun. Because I think Theseus needs to be mad about his belt for longer."

She can't distract from her first heist by committing a second so soon. She must let Theseus stew in his outrage that someone stole his treasured belt. Maybe wait until he makes another to steal it again. She could have a little collection of stolen belts from Theseus and then give back her treasure hoard when she dies with all the smugness due a hero.

"We've been playing with Méli instead." Lyra playfully bats gently at Méli's thumping tail. "Elysium spilled the secret of how Méli got here and I told Pat before I realized it was supposed to be secret. Sorry."

Lyra gets into trouble, but she only really wants to keep her trouble secret if she means to get into trouble. Now she might as well just tell Achilles that she told on Hermes before Pat says anything. Maybe it'll even prompt an important conversation between Achilles and Pat.
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[personal profile] messageforyou 2023-12-12 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
The kiss is nice. Lyra's still smiling as the grownups have their little apologetic exchange. She's not sure why Achilles feels bad about lying, but a lot of grownups don't like lies, even when the lies are for their own good.

If Pat has treated Hermes badly, she has a feeling that he ought to say that directly to Hermes, but she doesn't really know what 'treating him so poorly' means. Maybe he's been mean, or maybe he's just not wanted to spend time with Hermes. Excluding people is its own kind of mean, but sometimes it's better than including them when you don't want to.

Lyra trusts that Achilles will know and say so if Hermes ought to be talked to, so she leaves that to him. Instead, she starts scratching Méli's ears to direct her to cuddle Lyra. Lyra is going to try to be verrrrrry easy to miss while the grownups talk, and make Méli easy to miss too. And only poke Pat if it looks like he won't talk to Achilles as much as he ought to.
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[personal profile] messageforyou 2023-12-12 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
Lyra thinks she knows what answer Achilles is more likely to give. Grownups don't say sorry to other grownups when they don't care, not like kids trying to get out of trouble.

She hears Pat's hesitation now, which seems sillier now that she's hearing Achilles with him, hearing how he prods at his mood. It reminds her of her brother Thales, and how scared he gets of bad things that might happen, even if they don't happen.

But Lyra loves Thales, even though he's a scaredy-cat who cries easy, and she has tricks for making someone scared of bad things that might happen do what they need to anyway.

She kisses Méli's sweet nose before taking Pat's hand, giving it a squeeze. This could be considered kind and reassuring, were it not for the fact that she also pinches the skin of his hand. Support, and also a light dusting of bullying to get him to spit out what he's gotta ask.
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[personal profile] messageforyou 2023-12-13 06:13 am (UTC)(link)
The lesson Lyra chooses to take from this is that bullying grown men is a good thing that she should do more often, as long as it's for their own good.

She doesn't know if this will make all the sad go away from Pat. Probably not. Sadness seems to stick harder to grownups than it does to kids, who shake it off so easy. But maybe it'll make the sad less sticky.

Lyra tips her head to look at Patroclus' face, squeezing his hand again. She doesn't speak, not wanting to pull away Achilles' attention or remind the grownups that she's here. Grownups can be weird about talking about these things in front of kids sometimes. But she also wants to see Patroclus' expression, see if he really believes what Achilles is saying.

He said his plan was to be content if Achilles said he loved him. But Lyra wonders if he can follow through.

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